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Post by LloydK on Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:50 pm

Hi Folks. Looks like you have some new members. I haven't checked out what yous have been up to here since I last visited yet. I'll get around to it.

I'm hoping some of you may like to discuss this stuff below.

I read this article, 13-Year-Old Creates Cheap Energy Harvesting Device [Electricity] at http://www.ktvn.com/story/31260413/13-year-old-creates-energy-harvesting-device and was hoping to find out somewhere online how the device is put together. I haven't found anything yet, but then I found this video, Time to END The Electricity Racket - FREE & NATURAL ELECTRICITY PROOF at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CIizY5nb9I and now I'm curious what any of you may make of it. His tech is said to produce radiant energy or something instead of electricity which can do a lot of work without danger of killing anyone. He talks about oscillating DC EM current, instead of electricity. It lights up burned out fluorescant tubes. He says the tubes and bulbs can last forever, since they don't burn anything out. I'm not sure if he says it provides free energy, but maybe so. I think he uses a generator that he calls a modulator, which he runs at 4,000 rpm to improve the currents. I'm sorry I can't describe his demonstration better, but I'm fairly ignorant about electricity etc. The video lasts over an hour and there's a second one at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ7I9XgaW3A called Tesla's Secret finally understood (Gerard Morin). That one is also over an hour long. I guess the second one involved him explaining things more. I've only listened so far to the first one for about half an hour.


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Post by LongtimeAirman on Wed Aug 24, 2016 6:24 pm

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Hey Lloyd, It’s good to hear from you.

I’ve looked at your links. I hope I don't confuse them. Seems like there are more and more free energy possibilities out there. Here's my take.

Jim Murray would provide motor/generator controls enabling your installation to run off of reactive KWatts (instead of reactive KVARs); not really free energy, just greatly increasing the efficiency of power delivered (he calculated up to 5,000%), by drawing power almost exclusively from a “resonant” technology. Neat, I suppose I don’t have a problem with a residential motor control center to set up the resonance. You are still a load. The power company can find these devices quite easily, so I imagine it would require a complicated power sharing/purchasing arrangement. You’ll still pay for more than what you appear to be taking.

Jim’s idea of an ellipsoidal motor armature may shift current and voltage relationships from the traditional ELI the ICE man (for phase relationships and power factor see -   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_factor#Mnemonics ). It sounds like some sort of motor current form of gyroscopic procession. Once again, efficiency is increased. Power isn’t being created from nothing. The technology is available to deliver electricity at a fraction of its current costs.

Gerard Morin’s in-circuit 24VDC motor with a spinning magnet in a coil transformer is all new to me. I’ve never heard of anyone attaching batteries to a motor housing to increase motor performance either. He insists he is moderating radiant watts. He would erect a mast to receive a part of the energy that is always available around us, and convert it to usable form using his motor circuit.
 
I might could eventually work up charge field rationales for Jim or Gerard’s work. It’s good people are pushing the bounds. Thanks for the optimism.
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Post by LloydK on Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:37 pm

Thank you for the helpful comments, Airman. I forgot to check in on this thread till now.

1. Did you understand Morin to say that AC is actually RF?
2. And was he saying that free energy is available via the natural RF of the Earth between 12 and 13 hz?
3. He also said and showed apparently that his free RF energy is safe, whereas conventional electricity is potentially lethal. Do you have any idea why that would be? I mean what's the difference? 4. Does it make sense to you that Tesla's huge tower was a receiver rather than a transmitter? Morin seems to say that massive antennas cannot transmit well, but can only receive signals well.
5. Do Morin's findings seem to make sense by MM's theory? MM says IR is the main frequency, doesn't he? RF is quite a bit longer wavelengths. Right? The first article about a kid who invented a cheap free energy device mentioned that it can convert heat and RF to electrical energy. Do you know why Earth's natural frequency is between 12 and 13 hz?
- MM says conductors can act as guides for electrical energy. Doesn't he? And wireless transmission requires first priming the field. Is that by sending out a signal, which creates a channel for IR or RF photons? Are there RF photons?

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Post by LongtimeAirman on Tue Aug 30, 2016 4:22 pm

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Ok Lloyd, I'll try to make clear what I don't know.

Lloyd1. Did you understand Morin to say that AC is actually RF?
Airman1. Morin said to think of the energy from his motor circuit as a form of radiant heat. Radiant energy, or radiant watts lights up the bulb. I didn’t hear Morin say it, but you’re right, you could describe the radiant energy as a 4000 rpm/(60 s/m) = 66.7 Hz wave. That’s close to 60 Hz AC, but the comparison ends there. You need two wires to deliver AC: a single phase and return; or 2 different phases.

What most caught my attention was when he said something like “In the old days they used to deliver electricity with just one wire”.  A local direct current (DC) circuit.  What’s the DC source? Of course, I’m fairly ignorant, and one must be careful when dealing with dangerous voltages. A source could be a car battery, powering several widely spaced devices with overhead wire. I imagine each device must be operated with a good earth/ground connections. The battery may need to be recharged often, so just include a running automobile gasoline engine that also keeps the battery charged. Include an alternator or something and you can run AC devices too.  

Morin’s discovery is his simple motor circuit that allows use of devices designed to operate with either AC or DC power. I don’t recall Morin saying it, but I’m sure he would say one only needs to rotate battery locations to keep them charged and operating at full capacity. If that’s the case, I’m far from convinced. Creating a RF field is not insubstantial.

L2. And was he saying that free energy is available via the natural RF of the Earth between 12 and 13 hz?
A2. The Earth’s energy is there “for the taking”. I thought Tesla was the first to talk about and exploit Earth’s resonant frequency. I got the impression that the most important requirement for Morin is just a simple voltage potential that he said he could obtain with a mast and copper wire. It’s his circuit that allows use of both AC and DC devices.

L3. He also said and showed apparently that his free RF energy is safe, whereas conventional electricity is potentially lethal. Do you have any idea why that would be? I mean what's the difference?
A3. I assume Morin’s circuit draws less than an amp, so it’s relatively safe. His circuit currents behave unusually, as you might expect from radio waves. He connected just a single wire to the ruined fluorescent bulb to get it to light (ruined for two wire operation as he had intentionally “burned” the other electrode open for demonstration purposes). He was also able to hold his finger across the circuit terminals saying there was no electric shock. He indicated that his circuit was current limiting, that anything he ran with his circuit was unable to draw an overcurrent and therefore could not overheat. He added an up transformer, frequency multiplier, and magnets to the motor casing, and the bulb shone brighter.

Don’t assume RF energy is safe. What determines lethality is the amount of voltage potential you’re crossing and your resistance to current flow at that potential. If you present a short to ground at low resistance you can easily overheat and burn open somewhere at much less than 1 amp.

It’s my understanding that all conducting materials will develop eddy currents in the presence of an RF field. Depending on the energies involved, nearby conductors can develop significant voltages compared to earth ground. All circuit and non-circuit conducting materials must be properly connected to a common ground system; otherwise, footsteps, doorknob turning and kitchen sinks may draw electric arcs. What if one is carrying fuel? All nearby metal structures should also be properly grounded to the Earth. Otherwise, for RF or conventional electrical sources, the same rules apply - don’t go shorting cables or conductors together.
 
Tesla could walk about expanses of ionizing conducting surfaces. You can be at a very high voltage, as is a lineman handling a live overhead conductor. In which case it becomes deadly to also touch either earth ground (part of the support structure) or another AC phase conductor.
 
L4. Does it make sense to you that Tesla's huge tower was a receiver rather than a transmitter? Morin seems to say that massive antennas cannot transmit well, but can only receive signals well.
A4. In my experience, receivers and transmitters are ideally identical geometric conducting elements. The tower serves both purposes. Generally, radio towers (I would call them antennas as opposed to the support structures) are designed to allow maximum transmission of power into space. Tesla’s tower was designed to deliver many small repetitious transmissions to the Earth, while receiving a larger, accumulating energy return back from the Earth. It’s unusual to receive more than you can give, but that’s the design.

L5. Do Morin's findings seem to make sense by MM's theory? MM says IR is the main frequency, doesn't he? RF is quite a bit longer wavelengths. Right? The first article about a kid who invented a cheap free energy device mentioned that it can convert heat and RF to electrical energy. Do you know why Earth's natural frequency is between 12 and 13 hz?
A5. I don’t see how Morin’s ideas violate MM theory. I do believe there’s plenty of power available. I’m skeptical a mere mast can deliver the necessary potential. It might even attract lighting strikes.

Earth’s natural frequency is based on the time delay between a signal transmitted into the Earth, and reception of a reflection of the signal received back from the earth. I guess the natural frequency is how many times that signal can bounce back and forth through the Earth in a second.

L6. MM says conductors can act as guides for electrical energy. Doesn't he?
A6. Conductors allow electric current to flow.

L7. And wireless transmission requires first priming the field. Is that by sending out a signal, which creates a channel for IR or RF photons? Are there RF photons?
A7. Priming the field? I don't see that. Tesla’s tower required many transmissions to “accumulate” an increasing return signal, if that is in fact how the signal is developed. I imagine there are many channels which are also increasing in number. Of course there are RF photons.
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Post by LloydK on Wed Aug 31, 2016 5:13 pm

Airman, thanks for the detailed answers.

You said: "Morin’s discovery is his simple motor circuit that allows use of devices designed to operate with either AC or DC power."

Did he explain the details of his circuit? If so, is it likely worth trying to duplicate? Can you draw his circuit?

Do you think there's any realistic potential for developing free energy on the basis of Morin's findings? I don't mean perpetual motion or over unity. I just mean freely available.

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Post by LongtimeAirman on Thu Sep 01, 2016 12:16 am



As you can see, the basic motor circuit is simple. Morin can attach additional components to the output terminals depending on his anticipated load. i.e. he also improved ‘performance’ by attaching magnets to the motor casing.

Morin didn’t share details of the generator portion of his circuit. He developed his radiant watt “theory” of operation, which is unorthodox with respect to conventional thinking, but goes along with the idea of resonance, and seems to agree with my understanding of the charge field.  

Without real performance details, there’s no evidence or even expectation of free energy here.

Morin indicated that he can get it to work by tapping into the Earth’s field by attaching his motor terminal to a copper wire on a mast - that’s the unproven free energy part.
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Post by LloydK on Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:09 pm

Thanks, Airman, for your thorough answer, including the schematic.

Nevyn and I have been discussing Tesla a little too at this thread: http://milesmathis.the-talk.net/t213-proposal-electricity-animation#1384 . That post is where I gave him the link to the website that says Tesla was able to power 200 lightbulbs and an electric motor in Colorado in 1899 wirelessly from a distance of 26 miles. In a post after that Nevyn said a massive tower should be able to both transmit and receive power. He provides a lot of details and disagrees with Morin quite a bit, I think. That thread is where I brought up the idea of doing an animation of electricity.

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Post by LloydK on Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:11 am

Have you all seen this news on Tesla files?

The FBI has released their files on Tesla - info on his death ray, ball lightning, and much more
https://vault.fbi.gov/nikola-tesla

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